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Company ad signals that Black women don’t usually have a man

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There is an ad circulating throughout social media that is really getting quite a bit of attention, but not the kind of attention that any corporation would want.  Some say that it’s racially-discriminatory, some are saying that it’s just accurate.

The ad is for a baby carrier made by a company called Baby K’tan.  It is an organic baby carrier that allows mothers to more easily carry their children.  As imagined, the ad would surely show a mother comfortably carrying her child using the company’s product.  But the odd thing about the ad is that the company may have kept it uncomfortably real when doing their demographic research.

In the ads, placed right next to one another, there is a black mother holding her child, and then one with a white woman.  While the white woman is standing right next to her happy husband/boyfriend/baby-father, the black woman is standing there all alone.

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Some say that the ad is offensive, presenting black women as perpetual single mothers, with no black man anywhere nearby to help take care of her child.  Others are saying that the ad is accurate, since a shocking 72% of black children are born without a father in the home.

Ree The “Ree”lationship Guide, a contributor for iDatedaily.com, says that black women may have brought this perception onto themselves.  She says that the manner by which black women boldly go about excluding fathers in their lives may cause others to think that a father is no longer a necessary component to the African American household.

“Until Black women stop endorsing the exclusion of fathers in the household, we will continue to see this heartbreaking display of our families time and time again,” she said.

Dr. Tyra Seldon, a respected educator and advocate for women, says that the image was disturbing to her, but for different reasons.

“I was shocked when this image came through my newsfeed.  It is truly disconcerting that certain assumptions are being made about what constitutes a ‘family’ in the African American community,” she said.  “To suggest that fatherless families are normative in the African American community is not only problematic, but statistically erroneous.”

Tell us what you think.  Is there a way to fix the parenthood challenges in the black community without men or women blaming each other, or are we destined to continue on the path we’re on right now?

378 Comments

  1. Joselyn

    June 23, 2014 at 7:19 pm

    • steve

      June 25, 2014 at 1:43 pm

      I would say that there is truth to the ad. As a New York City schoolteacher who has taught for over twenty years predominantly schools that have a large number of black students,I have taken student surveys and found out that fourty of the fifty students in each of my five classes came from single parent family backgrounds. It seems that black women are far more gun ho on being a mother than a wife

      • toyabg

        June 27, 2014 at 1:08 am

        Thats so true. What kind of pride do u have as a babymama? Also just irresponsible behavior.

  2. Tanya

    June 23, 2014 at 7:42 pm

    That’s a stupid conclusion and the company is Ignorant for the ad. So EVERY white woman who has a child has a husband in the household? You can’t buy Stupidity. Some people are just born with it!

    • tony

      June 23, 2014 at 7:47 pm

      30% of white kids are born out of wedlock while 72% of blacks are.

      • Yvonne

        June 23, 2014 at 10:11 pm

        Therefore, what are African-American females squawking about. Were those pregnancies forced.

      • Keepingitreal

        June 24, 2014 at 12:24 am

        Tony – Let’s revisit Statistics 101, who is the majority in America? Here’s a hint, it’s not black people

  3. Ashley

    June 23, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    This is accurate. Not all black women exclude the fathers. Most of the time they exclude themselves however. It’s still black families that have a father and mother house hold!!

  4. Big Daddy Woo

    June 23, 2014 at 7:51 pm

    Sad but true, many black women parade around claiming they don’t need no man. The problem lies within the two parents cause usually after a child is born Black couples break up. Once this occurs, most don’t consider the importance to the child to have both parents in their lives even if they are not together. So the bill posted an accurate ad, and I’m glad those it offended were able to see it, not to complain about it, but to work to change this shit.

  5. Arreba

    June 23, 2014 at 7:53 pm

    Black fathers have not been excluded by Black women…they have been systematically forced out of their roles as husbands and fathers via institutional racism and poverty.

  6. Keith

    June 23, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    There may be statistics that state otherwise, but considering what the qualification of welfare has done to family units in the black community, the incarceration rates of black men, the efemination of black boys in the community, and the treatment of women by the brotha’s who adopt the thugs mentality … this is an instance of not wanting someone else pointing out a problem that we have.

    Sad to say, but this is more of the norm than it is the exception. We just don’t want others to say it’s so.

  7. Barbara

    June 23, 2014 at 8:21 pm

    No one knows if that White guy is her husband or not. But, they have him in the photo anyway. They could have chose a Black man to stand with the Black woman as well.

    The White Media is destroying the image of Black people; and they trot out all these so-called “statistics” that Black people grab and run with.

    Whites have bought and control all of Black Media that we use to have: ESSENCE, EBOBY (partially), BET. We don’t have a voice any longer. We can not rely on Whites to tell our story, because it will always be negative. Some Black people will act on this negativity, fulfilling what Whites hope for them. Mind control equals slavery.

  8. khali

    June 23, 2014 at 8:25 pm

    This is slander. There is no truth in this shyt. What’s sad is the WEAK, CRUEL, THOUGHTLES Leadership of AA men. They will believe anything about their daughters.”A nation can not rise hirer than its women.” This includes the men. So if you tear your women down dummy you destroy yourself and future
    generations. If you lift your enemy women, you are helping your enemy rise about you man. What a idiot!!

  9. Pernell Parham

    June 23, 2014 at 8:34 pm

    It’s a sad reality no matter what the circumstance, but we as black people need to start doing the right thing. The phenomena of the black man not being there for his family was started by welfare, where they don’t want a man in the house. Do they do that to other races? The economy has made it worse.

  10. Kevin

    June 23, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    It is not exaggeratted either Ms Moore, it is what it is. Deal with it and then fix the problem. It is a problem no matter what the race. Black, white or Latino, this would not be happening if the government didn’t support peolple from cradle to grave. Life is not meant to be lived like this and yes, it is in the bible that people must work for what they get.
    Also, Mr. Goudlock is 100% correct that the family court system is totally against the man. My ex-wife has taken advantage of this for the last nine years. Thank the Lord that now my two daughters are teenagers and are starting to see the light when it comes to parental alienation.

    I don’t pay 51% but $2,500 a month for two children is absurd for a blue collar worker like myself. Does anyone really think that tmy girls see that money every month???

    • Tony Castro

      June 24, 2014 at 5:09 pm

      Kevin I don’t see any women commenting on your all too familiar situation. The court system & the ridiculous I don’t need a father attitudes of black women will help continue to create more effeminate black boys. I hate to see where we will be in ten years as a people.

  11. Frances

    June 23, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    my grand mother was married for over 50 years. i was married for over 38 years. now what.

    • Jay

      June 24, 2014 at 9:09 am

      would you rather been single- now that you look back? Tell us..

  12. Aliyah Stephens

    June 23, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    Are you flipping kidding me!?!? Most of these replies agree with the article about black women “excusing” the need for a father in a child’s life. NEWSFLASH: A man can take care of his responsibility of being a father to a child whether or not a mother gives him permission to or not. Whether the mother thinks he is needed or not! That is what our court justice system is there for. America is now blaming black women for not having fathers…for reasons that range from claims that’s these women are mouthy and demanding for their men to hints that they are too independent and self-sufficient to accept help. But if a woman is doing her job to take care of her child, just as anyone would hope she is held accountable to, lets hold our MEN accountable for their job, as well. They may be other factors such as things like incarceration that contribute to these sad statistics…but again, these things are not the fault of the women who bear these children. Gimme a break!

    • toyabg

      June 27, 2014 at 1:25 am

      Black women are being blamed for having kids they cant take care of. Yeah people are tired of black women without husbands looking 4 handouts. Look at all these programs for single moms. They don’t work becuz the trick is pregnant again next year. Where is the common sense? If your living in government housing u arent taking care of yourself the gov is taking care of u. How about young girls with 4 babies and haven’t reached 25. I wouldnt give a dime to a single black chick with a slew of kids. I’d rather give my money to the human society. Babymamas need to stop blaming black men becuz no1 forced them to have the baby. The young men are killing each other so they can buy the new Jordan’s

  13. Greg

    June 23, 2014 at 9:04 pm

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    I work in a middle school in Detroit 4 17yrs the avg. percentage of single parent homes was 70 percent and that was seven yrs ago do u think that number has decreased ??? I don’t think so

  14. T Savannah Georgia

    June 23, 2014 at 9:14 pm

    The white women will surely find out as well..the black man will leave the white woman just as he has left the black women after which the demographic will show 50% white single mothers and 50% black single mothers.

    • Jay

      June 24, 2014 at 9:07 am

      he hasn’t.. and stats show black males become more successful not marrying or staying with blackwomen..

  15. Satchel

    June 23, 2014 at 9:29 pm

    You Kneegrows are fighting over how some company portrayed a black woman without a man in ad. Every body here knows right from wrong. We people can certainly figure out a more constructive way to move forward then blaming each other for what is wrong with us.

  16. Yvonne

    June 23, 2014 at 10:10 pm

    I totally agree with Ree The Ree lationship Guide that, unfortunately, with this “single mother” promotion among African-American women, the “chicken has come home to roost”! African-American women have been promoting and bragging about it this for the last almost forty years. We even have the children promoting it now. “Oh, my mom was a single mom. Okay, now we are getting an unwanted medal for it.

    There is no need in getting angry, we can change this image, if we drop our pride.

  17. Sanna Pennix

    June 23, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    There is nothing wrong with the cover of the Black mom. Facts are facts. I think the single mother probably likes the cover. I do!

    • Tony Castro

      June 24, 2014 at 5:18 pm

      That’s great you fine no fault with the cover of the magazine. Your ignorant attitude is a reflection of all that is wrong here. To embrace this negative portrayal is a solid reminder of why we are where we are within the African American community. Bravo for you!

  18. Sanna Pennix

    June 23, 2014 at 10:33 pm

    I have seen magazine covers with a White mom and baby, and thought nothing of it…..and I thought nothing of the Black mom cover. I think we sometimes over react to the simplest things.

  19. Peace

    June 23, 2014 at 10:36 pm

    Let’s remember it takes two to create a child. Media should be ashamed of portraying or indicating that a child only needs one parent to care for them. Dose it do any good to reflect back on the past, not according to the bible for those of us who believe. This women in the ad could have requested that a male figure be in the photo to projected a positive image of an American family. It’s nobody fault each person is responsible for their own actions. of course as people we should be building each other up. Instead of feeding the negative, feed the positive, whichever you feed more becomes the strongest.

  20. Manda White

    June 23, 2014 at 10:53 pm

    The Myth Of The Absent Black Father
    BY TARA CULP-RESSLER JANUARY 16, 2014 AT 4:53 PM UPDATED: JANUARY 17, 2014 AT 6:36 AM
    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/01/16/3175831/myth-absent-black-father/

    I, as a Black woman, I will take offense to some of the things written in the first comment. I am not a Black Man so I will not say that there are women out there who play the “can’t see the baby” game. However, I have met quite a few men who really make an effort to see the children regardless.

    There are a lot of things that keep fathers from the children, but I find it does not have anything to do with the children only the relationship with the mother of the children. And lets face it, YOU PICKED THAT WOMAN. No one else told you to have sex with her. I am willing to bet someone in your family or friends told you not to get with the woman. So please when you are complaining about how men are absent and it is the Black Woman’s fault, remember you have the power to wait and get to know this woman first. Not jump into the bed or wherever, and have sex right away. It is a two way street and I believe that the children are the ones who take the brunt end.

    I believe this poster is not accurate because there are plenty of Black couples who are together today with their children. Just like there are plenty of White couples who have separated and one or the other parent is raising their children.

  21. Nora

    June 23, 2014 at 11:19 pm

    Goodness, is it not enough that there are those speculating as to what the ad implies??? We then turn and go from one extreme to the next in the comments. SMH.

  22. Shennelle

    June 23, 2014 at 11:23 pm

    Not all Black women exclude their children fathers from their lives ppl need to stop blaming all Black women for the actions of others. Not all Black women choose to be single mothers there are some who do the best they can to include the children’s father in their life but there are some men who just don’t want to accept responsibility. The ad is inaccurate and offensive. It’s racist to depict only Black women as single mothers, there are single mothers in other races too.

  23. kimberly

    June 23, 2014 at 11:27 pm

    This site is stupid…i didn’t get it…so what..the black woman is holding a baby..the white woman is holding a baby with a man standing next to her.really people???..

    • Jay

      June 24, 2014 at 9:06 am

      yes.. really Kim.. its not rocket science.. we as a PPL currently don’t believe in a two parent (male & female) household nor MARRIAGE.. we promote single parent hood out of wed lock children on PURPOSE..(duh)

  24. Me

    June 23, 2014 at 11:42 pm

    Ree, the Reelationship Guide? You speak pure foolishness. All single moms, and most that I know, are FAR from excluding the fathers from their children’s lives. Most are bending over backwards to include them! Just because a hurt and angered mother displays a defense mechanism and behaves as if she doesn’t need who has abandoned her pitifully doesn’t mean she’s a raging emasculating bitch who has decided that Daddy’s not needed. Most women in that position are trying to make do with the difficult hand they’ve been dealt. Please stop blaming mothers for irresponsible Dads. They deserve empathy and compassion, the misguided Dads do too. You are perpetuating the problem with your wanton accusations and yet your someone’s guide???

    • Redbone

      June 24, 2014 at 3:25 am

      Right on Me…. Ree is clueless and on simlac / wannabe informed but is totally not about many things… She lives in the dark and thrives on negativity and destruction of her black-sisters. She’s fight a losing battle with a weak post that’s leaning more and more everyday.

  25. Olivia

    June 24, 2014 at 12:17 am

    The statistics of white children born in single parent households is wrong. I’ve read many white publications that says the percentage of white kids in single are almost on the same level as black children. Whatever affects the black community will eventually hit the white community as well. Many live in dysfunctional families with pedophilia and massive drug abuse. I’d rather raise a child in a single household than a totally fucked up one

  26. Marvin Tillman

    June 24, 2014 at 12:45 am

    Just because a child is born out of wedlock doesn’t mean the father is living in the home providing for the child and living together as a loving family

  27. jboogie

    June 24, 2014 at 1:01 am

    It’s a reality of the hidden agenda behind the ad. And, of our black don’t to accept the fact that they are being use to exploit this devising plan to keep black families divide. The same way these advertising are promoting homosexuality. They want the white woman to be every man dream, and the black man is everyone’s nightmares.

  28. Elijah

    June 24, 2014 at 1:18 am

    Just white folks up to their regular BS.

  29. Mr.J

    June 24, 2014 at 2:36 am

    both black men and black women need to clean up there act with all this selfish,selfcentered”it,s all about me attitude”of irresponsible stuck on stupid sexual behavior.for the most part you all ”CHOSE”to lie down with one another,”you all CHOSE”not to use birth control knowing full well that a child or children could come out of such a union that often times such parents are economically and financially ill prepared to take care of.i don,t blame the child or children because they didn,t ask to come into this mess,it is the selfish selfcentered ”don,t give a damn attitude”of the adults that,s fueling this crap and to that i say the Govt needs to get it,s act together and not just put some ”no nonsense laws on the books to address this foolishness of the guilty parties involved,but also ”ENFORCE THEM WITH REAL CONSEQUENCES”for such careless behavior.the Govt need to become more part of the solution than the problem and serve notice to all deadbeat parents that this type of irresponsible sexual behavior comes with serious consequences.to the deadbeat moms,no longer will we pay you to have children at the taxpayer,s expense…..to the deadbeat dads no longer will you for the most part continue go unscathed for your participation in this matter with very little or no emotional and financial accountability.

  30. Devon

    June 24, 2014 at 2:45 am

    Yall some delusional mawfukkas, its a sad day when blkwmn act all shocked at young blk wmn like me whose single with no kids, everwhere i go some old azz hoodrat with a bunch of damn kids talking about guuuuuurl you 25 and aint got no kids and when i show my engagment ring and say im not married yet these beitches tell me well you gettin married what you waitin for. I tell them nooooo my babies will not be b@stids they will be born married. These wmn supposed to say yeah youre doing right wait till you get the wedding band but nooooo they tellin me the wrong thing. So much for setting examples, thank god i have mom and pops who taught me well, esp my pops. Not for them id have about 10 dayum kids, thats why.every kid need a father, boys so their father can raise them as men and girls to teach them what kind of men to choose and the ones to stay away from.

    • Jay

      June 24, 2014 at 9:04 am

      @ Devon,..me too, I couldn’t imagine not having my mother and father(living) as a child not in the same home..whom stayed together becuz they TRULY loved each other and their children and wanted to PROVIDE THE BEST for their children from a two parent household. I really feel sorry for todays children froma single parent house hold..its gotta be hard for them..especially the way society has become.. they don’t even know their gender.. I’ve seen 12 year olds children looking like they’re 30 years.. its sad.

  31. Devon

    June 24, 2014 at 2:48 am

    This sheit is all blkwmns fault cant stop f@cking and keep their legs closed and wont use birth control and wont make these nuccas wear condom, pregnancy rate is high, hiv and aids rates is high in the blk community somma yall just nasty.

    • Vaughn

      June 24, 2014 at 7:30 am

      I really appreciate your comment Devon. I was going to make the same argument but I think its more appropriate to come from a black women. Congratulations on your engagement, dignity, and sense of self.

  32. Robert

    June 24, 2014 at 3:57 am

    I don’t know who you are but most likely white and dumm HIV is not a black thing your white wome are nasty they get just like the black woman sorry white boys sorry men on both SIdes like there are sorry women on both sides but don’t say my race is nasty when you don’t know the history of your demon race

  33. Destiny

    June 24, 2014 at 6:59 am

    This is how companies view my people of color. Television commercials as well. However, those that quote statistics, don’t believe every stat. They are put out there to make our race to be viewed negative in every area. Just because you see a lot single black women, at least they do have their child and make an effort to take care of them, where as many white woman give there’s up for adoption, abort, because they can afford to, or have them at home then bury them in some shallow grave or worst yet, throw it in the trash some where. Oh, yea!! The plan from their beginning is to remove the black man out of the black woman’s life so the more they portray that image the more secure they become in their efforts.

  34. Tiamtte

    June 24, 2014 at 8:09 am

    This ad has accomplished exactly what it set out to do. Cause more problems between black men and women. We see these types of articles from time to time and the reaction is always the same. Get with the program people and stop being the puppets of racist individuals trying to destroy us. See these things for what they are.

    • Jay

      June 24, 2014 at 9:20 am

      …the fact IS ..we as African American PPL are the only ones in AMERICA that have children in the highest % born out of wed-lock nor do we promote the idea of marriage and/or a two parent household for OUR CHILDREN.. We are the only ones as a RACE of PPL in America and OUR children are suffering as result of this idea..they don’t even know their gender becuz there is no example for boys to know what it is to be a man, however, raised by mothers and these boys want to be women, girls missing their daddy want to be come males.. so say what you want to say.. FACT IS..as it has become..

  35. Genna

    June 24, 2014 at 8:28 am

    We are always under a microscope…there are white single mother,Latin, etc please!!!

    • Jay

      June 24, 2014 at 8:57 am

      ..not as much compared to black women in America.. who are the ONLY American Females who promote the idea, “I don’t need a man to help raised my children.. REALLY? Who are raising these THUG males(single black women) and why are the majority males in jail/prison are black males? The majority of them come from single parent homes.

  36. rob stores

    June 24, 2014 at 8:30 am

    I hate to say it but it is a fact that 70% of our children have been born out of wedlock. For forty years our children have been raised by single mother households. Isn’t this proof enough that all mothers need men? Not males or nuggets like some choose to mate with but educated responsible black men that actually want children. I didn’t like the cover but I can’t be angry at the truth. If you women are as hurt as I am then let’s fix it.

    • amber

      June 24, 2014 at 12:49 pm

      Thank you

  37. nedge

    June 24, 2014 at 9:43 am

    I call bs….I have no children however every single guy that I know from my brother, all of his bro-s, my coisins children’s fathers, to just friends or guys I know have always been in the lives of their children.I am talking guys who were on the outside of mainstream society you know so called thugs, well these dudes always talked about and made ways to have contact with their children…they always hustled for their kids. If this white society says or promotes something best believe the opposite is true.

  38. Greg

    June 24, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    As a ex-teacher in a urban city single parent homes are one of the biggest issues that black America has to deal with ,apparently far
    To many black folk don’t realize it , Lets wake up

  39. blossom

    June 24, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    The problem is that it is not acknowledged that although Black children are likely to be born to single women, the men are cohabiting with the wife and child. So the “baby-dady” is living with the child in most of the cases. You need to always ask what other statistics apply. Unfortunately, the white media will only tell you the ones that give negative images of the black family. Images that are distorted.

    Additionally, single women giving birth is a problem “globally,” African Americans are no different than whites in the United States or in Europe. They don’t tell you the percentages of white single women having babies. Wonder why that is???

  40. SayWhat

    June 24, 2014 at 4:59 pm

    Regardless of the state of affairs in the black community the ad campaign is irresponsible. It could have just as effectively promoted the product w/o showing a man at all, or shown a father in both photos. Afterall, you don’t need a man to use the damn product. Was this a covert attempt to disrespect/disregard the black family? Probably, but we don’t know. What we do have control over as a people is the refusal to be consumers of products made by companies that think little of us but won’t hesitate to take our money. But we’re no longer unified to that extent since the civil rights movement died. Does any really care about affecting positive change any more? Doesn’t seem like it. It’s much easier to bitch at each other than fight for worthy causes. SMDH

  41. ericaf

    June 24, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    Why is this surprising? I’ve been observing for the longest time that black women in commercials don’t have wedding rings on but whites do. There was a commercial some time back from American Express for travelers checks and the woman was reporting it was a black kid” it quietly went away bu

  42. ericaf

    June 24, 2014 at 5:36 pm

    ……Nothing has changed in the portrayal of us. We are marginalized by companies but we still patronize businesses and companies that only want our dollars but not us by treating us with the respect we deserve. Go to any business and see how the staff of another color treats you and that is usually the culture of the business.

  43. Corbin

    June 24, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    I wonder why Black women are in such an uproar when actually the majority of BW have many children NO husband. In this case, I really believe that it did not matter at all if she was photographed with a husband or not. This was an opportunity for this woman to get paid and she strapped on the baby sling and commenced to posing.

  44. Devon

    June 24, 2014 at 11:01 pm

    Robert Im a blkwmn you idiot whats wrong cant handle the truth, dont catch a tude with me im not the one pushin out babies and raising thugs.

  45. Wil May

    June 25, 2014 at 1:15 am

    Reading the various comments, little or nothing is said about Black Female taking charge of they bodies. The old saying: “Women give sex to get love, and Man give love to get sex.” Sisters must take the necessary steps called Birth Control. Too many Brothers are in the pleasure mode only.

  46. Deborah

    June 25, 2014 at 9:02 am

    The reason this ad is problematic is because the product is for mother and child, so the presence of a father is not really needed. Then the advert attempts to assume that all white women will have a husband or boyfriend. And just because of single parent stats, black women should be portrayed alone? Stupid advert. But then, most are. Not worth my time.

  47. Olivia

    June 25, 2014 at 11:09 am

    Y r all these albinos on this site perpetrating as black ppl. Y’all just caint leave us alone!!’

  48. diamonds

    June 26, 2014 at 4:59 am

    I agree with Janice Tillman, white people have the same problems but black people are the ones shown as having the problem. It is not only in the case of relationships but in everything. Blacks are constantly being portrayed as the ‘bad one’ in the media. We as black people have to be aware not to be sucked in by this to then start turning on ourselves.

    Beware! The degradation of black people is subtle. Look out for it in sitcoms(EVEN BLACK ONES, magazines, news, fashion, music, films etc.

  49. Meghann

    June 26, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    African-American women are the only ones who can change this statistic. It is time for us to stop having babies out of wedlock unless you are an educated adult who can support that child, physically, emotionally and financially throughout his/her life.

    When our girls have babies out of wedlock, they doom their lives and the lives of their children to poverty and lack.

    I wonder often how a teen girl becoming pregnant for a teen boy with no job, no home, no education, no morals and expect him to provide for you and your child.

    We can change the world’s perception of us as a people but we have to make the change.

  50. Sa`hiba Sansui

    June 30, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    Unbelieveable! Please think! All black women are not manless, and all white women have men! Of course the ad is bias, racist, and outright wrong. It’s somebodies negative perception! And yet we question whether it is 10% correct or 30% correct. Save your energy. That steve character who has been ‘teaching’ for 20 yrs. needs to go back to school and learn how to spell, and I sure hope he is not teaching my kids. Let us not argue amongst ourselves, and/or discuss an outright lie. A piece of excrement has been dropped at our feet – lets kick it to the side and keep moving forward. We are not numbers, we are people!
    P.S. do not buy that product or support it in anyway!!

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